Should there by a law against deliberate stupidity?
Here are a few choice comments on Catherine Bennett's article - Why-do-so-many-men-think-the-sex-trade-is-fine?
"It's genetics I'm afraid. Men have evolved to 'put it about' and women have evolved to withhold their favours. It's so blindingly obvious that it's amazing that otherwise-intelligent people could ever imagine that they could be the first to ban prostitution after its first million years of healthy existence."
"Banning prostitution because some street-walkers have been killed makes as much sense as banning taxis because some minicab drivers get killed."
"There are reliable reports of female chimpanzees accepting gifts of meat from males and reciprocating with sex"
"I just had sex with my wife, after agreeing to carry on with my marathon "fitting tiny LEDs in dolls houses" project. Three daughters, three dolls houses... But I wonder if this sequence of events, which wasnt' a contractual agreement per se, rather just part of the normal give and take of any relationship, might be illegal soon?
It's not just cash changing hands they want to criminalise lads - read the small print. *ANYTHING* that might have value...
Ever offered a dirty weekends in Paris? You're going down!"
"Do we ban driving because one petrolhead speeding kills pedestrians?"
"I feel, and it seems very cold of the feminist movement to be doing this, that they aren't talking enough about what could have been done to stop these women being killed and too much about the 'problem' of prostitution. If you have so much care for your fellow woman then looking at what to do to prevent this happening again is a good place to start. "
"I would love to work as a male prostitute offering my services to paying women. Sadly, I'm just not good looking enough."
"If this murderer had instead murdered 5 office workers, would that mean that you would be in favour of prohibiting women from working in offices? What nonsense."
"Men, however, must convince women to have sex with them. They must work hard at it, seduce, charm, impress with their `attributes`. Women choose, men are chosen.
There's a new, booming industry dedicated to seduction that is fuelled by desperate men who find it hard to connect with females."
"On my meetings with "paid-for-companions", I always make it clear that I dont want Her to do anything that she is not 100% comfortable with. Often, at the start of our date I challenge my companion to say "No" or to indicate dissent at some point, just to test me."
"Payment makes no difference, it is still two consenting adults. I would have commented on that, but could not be bothered."
"As for the viewing female as `people` comment, I think a lot of these men do. Doesn't mean they get anywhere."
Ahem. Please, if we cannot criminalise men who buy sex, can we at least criminalise them for disingenuousness?
Well, they're either that or they really cannot see women as human.
Even if they try.
"It's genetics I'm afraid. Men have evolved to 'put it about' and women have evolved to withhold their favours. It's so blindingly obvious that it's amazing that otherwise-intelligent people could ever imagine that they could be the first to ban prostitution after its first million years of healthy existence."
"Banning prostitution because some street-walkers have been killed makes as much sense as banning taxis because some minicab drivers get killed."
"There are reliable reports of female chimpanzees accepting gifts of meat from males and reciprocating with sex"
"I just had sex with my wife, after agreeing to carry on with my marathon "fitting tiny LEDs in dolls houses" project. Three daughters, three dolls houses... But I wonder if this sequence of events, which wasnt' a contractual agreement per se, rather just part of the normal give and take of any relationship, might be illegal soon?
It's not just cash changing hands they want to criminalise lads - read the small print. *ANYTHING* that might have value...
Ever offered a dirty weekends in Paris? You're going down!"
"Do we ban driving because one petrolhead speeding kills pedestrians?"
"I feel, and it seems very cold of the feminist movement to be doing this, that they aren't talking enough about what could have been done to stop these women being killed and too much about the 'problem' of prostitution. If you have so much care for your fellow woman then looking at what to do to prevent this happening again is a good place to start. "
"I would love to work as a male prostitute offering my services to paying women. Sadly, I'm just not good looking enough."
"If this murderer had instead murdered 5 office workers, would that mean that you would be in favour of prohibiting women from working in offices? What nonsense."
"Men, however, must convince women to have sex with them. They must work hard at it, seduce, charm, impress with their `attributes`. Women choose, men are chosen.
There's a new, booming industry dedicated to seduction that is fuelled by desperate men who find it hard to connect with females."
"On my meetings with "paid-for-companions", I always make it clear that I dont want Her to do anything that she is not 100% comfortable with. Often, at the start of our date I challenge my companion to say "No" or to indicate dissent at some point, just to test me."
"Payment makes no difference, it is still two consenting adults. I would have commented on that, but could not be bothered."
"As for the viewing female as `people` comment, I think a lot of these men do. Doesn't mean they get anywhere."
Ahem. Please, if we cannot criminalise men who buy sex, can we at least criminalise them for disingenuousness?
Well, they're either that or they really cannot see women as human.
Even if they try.
posted by jo22 at 11:56 AM
6 Comments:
"I feel, and it seems very cold of the feminist movement to be doing this, that they aren't talking enough about what could have been done to stop these women being killed and too much about the 'problem' of prostitution. If you have so much care for your fellow woman then looking at what to do to prevent this happening again is a good place to start. "
That has to be the worst fucking call ever. Yes, why don't feminists come up with some kind of solution? I mean, not every man who rapes prostituted women also murders them, so CLEARLY the problem is not the arrangement itself. It's like how, because cancer has a less than 100% mortality rate, we have decided not to develop a vaccine. Oh wait.
What I find typical about those comments is the way that men (because these are, I'm sure, comments by men) think that everything they say is true/logical/right - because they are men!
Just look at the way they speak with authority on subjects like genetics, history and feminism when, evidently, they have, at best, very limited knowledge on any of the subjects.
"Should there by a law against deliberate stupidity?"
Yes.
Men's justifications for the continual use of prostituted women and girls are endless, Most, if not all are complete nonsense.
Some appear to think there are minor faults with prostitution, but they have never see it.
The classic -
"She only does what makes her feel comfortable".
He is not stupid, but a liar. Of course, men that use prostituted women and girls know she must do whatever he wants. If she doesn't, he can always get a more compliant prostitute. He pretends not to to know that she may be punish for her not fulfilling her contract.
I know through experiences that many men that (ab)use prostitutes women and girls say anything. I heard too many times how -
"My wife/girlfriend won't let me do this"
"I have a high sex drive"
"Society is so backward."
"I don't normally do things like this."
Often these things were said to justify sadistic sex. For they had paid, so they had the right to fulfil any fantasy they have.
Men lie in order to keep their power.
I barely read Comment is Free anymor because it was actually placing strain on my relationships - as in, do most men secretly think like these commenters? They are Guardian readers after all!
That thread is particularly embarassing for men, and saddening for women.
I know exactly what you mean bookblog. Also, when men say things like, "So will I be criminalised if I buy my girlfriend dinner and then we have sex?" it shows how they view their relationships with women, ie, sex is something to be obtained FROM them, rather than an activity based on mutual desire. Disturbing.
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